Lowest cost 3 zone player solution that works with RiseVision?

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I am looking to buy some less expensive player. I never use more than 3zones. I am currently on the Cenique c410. 
Can a Chrome stick or the Asus  Chromebox do this? If not then what do you recommend?
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The Chrome stick is still not out yet. But I did speak with a vendor last week who was testing them. So they are coming ... eventually.

Meanwhile, this is what we've used for all of our TVs.
http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/chromebox-3010/pd

Chrome OS seems to be a lot more stable too, especially in kiosk mode. And you can't beat $150!

Robert
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Jeff,

Thanks for the post! I'm sure our community will be able to help you out!
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@rcruse

That is an awesome price point. 

Have you ran multiple zone on it yet?

Did you have to load the RiseV software to the box and was it difficult?
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On our Dell Chromeboxes we currently run a 1280x720 slideshow, a Reuters news scroll, an events RSS feed, a google calendar, and of course, time and weather widgets. I also setup a  background 'slideshow' rotator that will cycle through background images for the presentation to keep it interesting.

So yes, it can easily handle 3 zones without even trying that hard  ;)

Once you have a good set of instructions, you can easily setup a Chromebox to run RV in kiosk mode in less than 10 minutes.

You may be able to find my amended version of RV's original Chromebox setup workflow out there in the forums, but RVs original, from which I based mine,  was removed from RV's forums a good while ago. I don't know if they eventually put up a replacement for it.

But if you get to the point where you need assistance setting up your Chromeboxes, feel free to email me at rcruse@austincc.edu, and I'll send you the amended instructions I created.

Robert
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Thanks. That really changed the landscape for me. I am assuming that it can easily handle 1080p output?

I have incredible demand for installs and i am trying to expand as much as possible. Haveing a lower cost solution is great. Some of my screens are 46" & 50" and when I buy a bunch of those I can feel each $429. purchase. Ouch:-)

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Yes. 1920x1080 is our standard presentation size, and we've deployed 30 of these Dell Chromeboxes with 55 inch LG TVs. And they look great.
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Thanks for the input rcruse!
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Jeff,
We have Asus Chromeboxes and they would have no problem running 3 zones @ FullHD. When it comes to pricing, you also should consider, in addition, buying Chrome device management license, which is $50/year or $150/life. So, the price may go up to $200-$300. Which is pretty steep for what you are getting, in my opinion. Today, we are considering Intel Compute Sticks (or other similar models) as an alternative to Chromeboxes, but I cannot give you more information about them at this point. They are relatively inexpensive, around $150, and run Windows 8.1, upgradeable to Windows 10.
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What does the device management licensing do for me? 
Do you have a link or some experience in its benefit?
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We haven't used device management on our Chromeboxes. We talked about it, but it really doesn't offer the kind of remote control that you'd expect  from something that has 'management' in its title.

It was explained to me that the features of device management were more akin to setting permissions and group policies on the Chromeboxes. There's no remote control ability, no remote view of screens to confirm signage content ...

So because of those factors and the additional cost of the device management, we opted out of the management. Over a year later, with a base of 30 installed signage Chromeboxes, we haven't had any issues or problems arise because we DIDN'T have it.
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Jeff,

You can read more about that here: https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/1289314?hl=en

What I can say in short words, management license allows you setting all  for your devices in the management console and then have all the settings pushed to your enrolled devices. It does not sound like much, but it really helps when you enrolling a new device. Also it allows you creating multiple groups with different settings etc.
Another key moment is updates. Google is pushing their updates regardless your opinion. With managed device you can hold those updates. That helps, because they may issue an update that is somewhat incompatible with RV; therefore, may give you much headache. Also, after updates, Chromebox wants to reboot that usually results in shut-off. Imagine you have to drive miles just to start the device. What if you have a ton of these?..
In addition, with management license, you can track the status of your device, capture screen and make sure nobody is messing with it or it is playing exactly what you want  because online preview option does not always give you accurate representation of what is being played. For instance, you may have IMPACT font in your presentation and have it installed on your PC, but it is not on your Chromebox; therefore you get your font substituted with something else, this way knocking the entire composition out of balance :)

Hope it helps.
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You also have android mini pc devices with My Rise Player app that i created. If your running something really simple in three zones then any android device would work. Even the fire tv or fire tv stick would work perfectly. Most android sticks/boxes i get are around 35-100. Works well and does the job for simple easy displays. 
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Hi William,

Could you please suggest some of those android sticks/boxes to look at? We're currently using Raspberry Pis, but I'm pretty nervous with the way they went from plastered all over the site to "not officially supported". The price point that you mention would make it extremely easy to change.

Thanks,

Andrew
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Devices I'm using and testing.
Mk808b got it on amazon wifi only
Rikomagic Mk05 wifi and Ethernet
Rikomagic Mk12 wifi and Ethernet
Amazon Fire tv wifi and Ethernet
Firetv stick wifi only
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Hi Oneal, Can we use Rikomagic MK80 Octa Core 4K Android PC with 16GB Flash 2GB DDR3  to display digital signage content created by Rise vision software  on Television.??
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If you do decide to go with a WiFi 'stick' option, make sure these devices will work in your environment first.

We tested some 'stick' options at first, but we have several WiFi domains here, and our network guys have set them up so they can't communicate with each other. (Despite pleading from us that it's ruining all of our WiFi educational tech for classrooms!) Additionally and especially, they purposely block several ports that most connected WiFi devices use.

So we had to abandon our WiFi dreams for the more practical wired network. Because of that we had to order the Chromebox rather than a WiFi only solution. So even the 'most wanted' Chrome stick that is coming soon (?) won't work for us, despite the cost savings, and the stick's easier installation and smaller form factor. Sigh.

Robert
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That is true, but in case of Intel stick or similar device running Windows, you can actually use USB expansion adapter that also allows you connecting Ethernet cable.
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As you all try new devices, we would love to hear about it! Make sure you post some reviews to the community on what you try out!
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We want content to be displayed on 4 televisions. Which media player is good and cost efficient,
1. Asus Chromebox (or) 2. Dell Chromebox
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Hi Darius, Can we use the above mentioned products for digital signage. For displaying contents in 4 Televisions, do you suggest buying the above mentioned product links.
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Hi Jeff, If i buy C410 and use HDMI Splitter, How many displays can it support?

Provided the displays should run  videos and images.
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I think 4 with that HDMI splitter would be a nice team.  Remember by doing it this way your screens will all run the exact same content. I can't say more because I have never had to do more than 3 screens from 1 player. The 3 screen config I did do has been running for 19months with no hiccups.

About Your Video:
I mentioned screen resolution because most people run 2-4 zones on a single screen, with videos being one or 2 of those zones. If this is how you are using your zones you could save a lot of cash buying 1080 screens as none of the content will be running in UHD or 4k. Again, there is no visual difference in 4k to the casual viewer unless your content is running full screen.and the source input is at least UHD.


@Darius - PRODO.us, I am not sure why they put 8g ram in it but I am kind glad they did. Boots are really fast and it seems to handle more than specs suggest. I put 5 videos on it once just to see what it would do and it did pretty well with some VERY VERY slight lags on loops. I had to watch it loop like 7 times before I noticed. No one else knew what i was talking about. "Casual Viewers"

It also can be configured to nearly any software. Some of those alternatives software solutions store content directly to the unit so if the internet goes down it will just keep running the last loaded plist.  There may be some extra data logs forming on the ssd over time thus the need for extra space.

BTW: They are not water resistant but I left my sunroof open one night and it rained for 5hr in my car directly on the C410 and it still worked after I let it dry for 2 days.  They are just built well. 
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Jeff, I initially did not pay attention, but this is NAND memory... I was thinking RAM... not the same. I wonder why they did not specify amount of RAM in Rise Vision Store https://store.risevision.com/product/36/media-player-c410-android-quad-core?cid=77d65575-178b-499c-a... (when I checked other descriptions of the same model? on other sites, it almost looks like they try to make you think this way intentionally), but on NewEgg they say it has only 1GB of RAM https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815535003&cm_re=cenique-_-15-535-003-_-Pr... tha's low IMO.
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Yes, it is low but for some reason, it does just fine.  My focus was on the best budget player. I started out with these and still use them for most applications. I.E. 1 per screen for a menu board with 4 zones on each screen (including video and a slide show for current specials.

I have done about 36 restaurants with this system. The 4 locations I just did were for lobbies so all screens would have the same full-screen content, so I did the c410 with a splitter with each.

If @Amala Remigius could afford a better player I would recommend it. But for the money that little cube is a beast. Yes, the Nuci5 or i3 would give her the ability to do more active zones. Things like live stream content or interactive will be very RAM intensive. I have only done an interactive setup 3x and I used a different player on each. I may just try it here in the office wth a c410 to see if it can handle that. 

The question is, does she need the extra Ram & processing for her particular use? Is it necessary to pay the extra $150.+ to implement the system? Does she need 4k?

I try to use the player that best fits the need and try to consider the possibility of scaling it. In some cases having say,  a 25% scalability is good enough. other time the company have grand visions for use and then I am looking at 8-16gig i5 or i7 systems.