Coming Soon: Rise Player for Raspberry Pi

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We've been experimenting with Rise Player on Raspberry Pi 3 and have been pleased with what we have seen. As a result, we are going to create a version of Rise Player for Pi! 

An alpha version is available for those that would like to get a head start on evaluating performance. You can review the setup instructions here, Configure Rise Player for Pi (alpha) on Pi 3 EDIT: Rise Player for Pi NOW AVAILABLE HERE Please note that some features may not work and we will not be able to provide technical support, or setup assistance, with the alpha release. 

We'll have a beta version available soon. With the beta release there may be issues that we don't catch, but you can expect the same easy installation process you get now with Rise Player for Windows or Linux plus the features of Reboot Player, Restart Player, Display Status and Screenshot.

If you're interested in receiving email notice when it is available just select the "Follow" link at the top right of this page. 

Thanks!
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Exciting news, thanks for the update Alan!
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This is great news!!!
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Great news! These Pis do make a great lightweight solution for smaller organizations.
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Fantastic! I just began hacking around with a Pi. It would significantly cut down our hardware costs. Glad to see an official solution is underway.
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So here's some quick impressions / feedback of the alpha after playing around with it.

Is there any plan to integrate a GPU accelerated video playback solution in the Pi build? Video playback still suffers, taxing the CPU and causing the Pi to really heat up.

When I did a reboot, nothing launched automatically. The shortcuts to start, stop, and uninstall the player seem to be pointing to a folder that doesn't exist.

Rebooting remotely from the RiseVision display browser page worked perfectly! Great to have that functionality that the Chromium app just couldn't provide.

A great start. Excited to see where this goes!
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Thanks for the feedback A.J. 

We'll need to spent more time reviewing video playback. As for the auto restart, that isn't working with the alpha version. It will be there with the beta release though. 
Dear AlanQuestion, if risevision works fine on Linux why not use Raspberry on the Pi3 operating system Mate Ubuntu?

Https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
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Hi Carlos, in order for Rise Player to work on Raspberry PI we need to add the necessary ARM libraries. 

Once that work is complete, Rise Player may work on Mate Ubuntu just fine, but our plans right now are to support Raspbian Jessie. 

Thanks!
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This is great! hope you can include hdmi-cec support
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I do not see how can Raspberry Pi cost can be a deal breaker when compared to other stick type players, for example Windows. You also get inferior device that I would not trust putting anything more demanding on it. In near future, after the official release, there will be tons complaints about videos not playing... I am pretty sure.

But what really intrigues me is the possibility of connecting a tiny display to it. All in all you get a very compact signage system... this might come handy.
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A.J.

I've had same issues with Team Viewer and then some. I found it rather unreliable. But what worked greatly for us is Google Remote Desktop. It is free and installs as Google Chrome App with your Google account. It works well in Windows and is useless on Chrome devices. It does not push any messages at all. The only downside is that it is gonna leave a mouse pointer. I am sure there are ways to turn in off on Windows level, but I simply drag it to the corner of a screen. I usually do it after hours, so it goes away after the scheduled nightly restart. Or you can simply reboot the machine after you done remoting in.
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Since i already experienced 28-30 FPS 1080p GoT video playback(over network) with omxplayer by using Raspberry Pi 1 Model B+ (512 MB Ram and 700 MHz CPU). I am sure Raspberry Pi 3 can handle the workload.

As far as i know Eric Anholt from Raspberry Pi Foundation works on experimental GL drivers for hardware accelleration. With the effort of developers to support for hardware acceleration on most-used web browsers with this new GL driver, video playback should not be a problem anymore.

I want to remind you that Chromium developers had abandon supporting hardware accelerations on ARM architecture long ago by stating that The effort done for supporting hardware accleration on ARM platform was waste of time.

I have a RPi1 Model B+ board which use Chromium prior to v22 working with RV native-player to handle heavy-load of web content with no lagging. Today i cannot deploy the same web-content with same performance on RPi3, because Chromium doesn't support hardware acceleration at all. It is only software accelerated on ARM platforms. That is why i plan to use Firefox while replacing new boards.

Also, the cost-performance efficiency and customisability for needs cannot be argued at all. Linux platform offers many oppurtinites to customize. Any unwanted features can be discarded and new features could be added (software or hardware). There is no limitation as Windows platforms apply.

In conclusion, RV developers should have been working on RPi platforms and ARM based distros long ago for better digital signage solutions. I believe RPi will be the future of cheap and effecive digital signage solutions, with your efforts.
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Hopefully they stick to it.

I am getting one of those; curious to see how far they can be pushed and where they stand compared to other devices.
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Nice!

I immediately bought a Pi3 and followed the install procedure. However, at the last command I got the error message:
bash: /home/pi/electron/electron: Permission denied

Any suggestion?
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http://dwservice.net ---- good team viewer alternative for raspberry pi... very low resource requirements and a lot of features that TeamViewer charges for... For free... No popups... Open-source...
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Alan, which OS is RV app is designed for? https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
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https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/

You'll want to use Raspbian Jessie with Pixel. That's the latest version. If you buy a kit that says NOOBS is preinstalled on the SD card, you'll be able to install it from there.
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Do you know if Raspbian can be installed on Asus TinkerBox? Or would RV App work on Debian?
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I'm not familiar with the TinkerBox. The PI uses a customized version of Ubuntu.
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Sorry, it is Tinker Board https://www.asus.com/uk/Single-board-Computer/TINKER-BOARD/ I have this Windows IOT bugging me now...
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A.J. is correct on the OS - Raspbian Jessie with Pixel. 
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Not to be too crabby about it, but after Chromebox development and support dried up, what kind of long term commitment do you have to Pi?
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I believe it is a bit different story because RPi developers do not force updates on you every two weeks or so that can take you down.
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That makes sense.
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Yeah, but for people who are not as techie what does that really mean?

Perhaps we could get one of our champions explain? As someone who invested heavily with Chromeboxes, this threw us for quite a loop. 

What does a Pi mean to future stability?

PS - I know what it means, but I know there are many people who do not understand the requirements to stay current with Chrome Apps and I would like to hear from someone in RV. Thanks!
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I compiled a version  to work a couple of years ago and it has been working very well. As compared to the sticks, the Pi does not overheat or have any update issues if configured correctly. As for video I have had no issues when I drop a youtube link in to Rise. I am excited that Rise Vision has accepted this challenge. For small networks its just the way to go. For bigger networks maybe not. The  example would be the way that Mcdonalds does their menus now. On windows based systems, which is contracted out for content and maintenance. We like the affordability of the Pi for the less than 20 displays we have. And quite frankly the Riseberry Install from last year has had no hiccups as compared to our windows based systems. My only complaint with the recent riseberry on NOOBS is no wireless pre-configured. We have one location that is difficult to run a wire to cosmetically and need the wireless functioning. The actual wireless router is in the same room so we are not worried about range. All in all we could not be happier with the PI at the moment. The constant visiting locations due to windows issues and connection errors was overwhelming. As for the future of this configuration, I see Raspberry PI increasing memory and processing speed. So that could solve some of the video issues some may have had. I remain optimistic on the fact of my own experience with this configuration. Cheap, reliable, and relatively easy.

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Very good news !!!! Thank you
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I'm getting a whole bunch of errors installing the Rise Electron Launcher...

npm install runs for a few minutes, then I get a ton of permission denied error messages. I am running this as root.
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sudo chmod a+rwx ~/rise-launcher-electron

Worked for me
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That seems to have cleared up the permissions issue, but now I am getting "npm WARN installer@1.0.0 No repository field." followed by a whole slew of npm ERR! messages.
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I got a lot of errors too. It still worked for me after that. Remember this is still in Alpha state. Errors are expected.
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I had lots of errors with npm install - probbaly because of our school's firewall. To get it working I had to configure git to transform git urls to https with:

git config --global url."https://".insteadOf git://
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Mark, I understand that this is in Alpha... but I should be able to actually install it following the instructions provided no? The errors I am getting stop me in my tracks... I have yet to see a display come up successfully using this setup.

Conversely, I've actually been using Raspberry Pi displays since the first time RiseVision was trying to support them. My old install script worked but I have not been able to get it to work on the newest Raspbian.

Richard, I tried that and it did seem to run better (we also have content filters), but the issue was still the same.
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Do I have to re-enter my display id every reboot of the pi? I used the command /home/pi/electron/electron /home/pi/rise-launcher-electron and acted like it was installing for the first time...
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Hi there Sebastian and Ray, I don't think that should be occurring. Can you confirm if you are still seeing that behavior?

Bear in mind this is an alpha release, so there will be issues that we should have corrected in the beta release.

Thanks!
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I can confirm I am seeing the same behaviour. Currently testing one here based on a clean Raspbian install. Also it seems the screen goes blank after no user interaction for 10-15 minutes. This is fixed by editing the lightdm.conf file.
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Malcom, Sebastian -

Thanks for the feedback. What you describe is on our punch list to fix with the beta release.

Appreciate the feedback.

Thanks!
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The comment from Mark on my last post helped get me past the permission issues, but I am now getting a slew of errors on that npm install step.

I understand that this setup is in Alpha, but having been using the raspberry Pi script that was available before the "riseberry" image, I'd love to see official support for the Pi devices. Just trying to help out with testing as best as I can.
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It runs through the install process again. I don't have to type the Display ID as its already entered but I do have to click through the installer. In the menu>other>start/Stop rise player doesn't work says file not found.
Hi, I have tried for 1 week raspberry pi 3 with RiseVision, there is a beta version to run RiseVision, but it has many shortcomings yet. The videos do not look good and being that the equipment RB 3 is very powerful feels very relented.
I have tried several digital signage programs for RB, such as https://info-beamer.com, where an image of the operating system is downloaded and it indicates which is the ID of the device, so simple and the computer behaves extraordinarily well. There is also another that runs very well and works the same way is https://www.screenly.io/

Could you develop something similar for RiseVision ??

I hope you can do something with RiseVision, since it is a very complete platform

Thank you so much
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Its Alpha. That said it stops working on my test Pi. It will run for a while then randomly just drop out of the player back to the desktop. 

My Pi is brand new fresh install of Raspbian --> 2017-02-16-raspbian-jessie.img
Electron version --> electron-v1.6.1-linux-arm.zip

It saves the Display ID from startup to startup
It plays video 
It gets warm but not hot

Its still running. Want to see how long it goes before any crash.

Hope this goes forward into beta and then production. Love the Pi for small installations.

My test Schedule
http://preview.risevision.com/?type=schedule&id=84f5fe68-53e3-463f-b93b-0a9850406fac

Thanks Rise Vision
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I've learned that if I run a full screen video through the GPU accelerated OMXplayer, it'll run nice and cool all day. But if you run that video through Chromium, which uses the CPU, the Pi gets very warm, and the temperature warning icon will light up.

Hopefully they are able to implement a GPU accelerated video method.
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I had it do that as well, I checked the message log after the crash-to-desktop by running dmesg and it had a line about a low memory state and then the Out Of Memory killer chooses a memory hungry process to kill. It seems Chromium itself grows in memory usage over time and will eventually use all of the available memory. Then the OOM killer kicks in. Just need a watcher process to keep an eye on things and restart things if it dies.
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Any way to update the application so it can run on smaller screens. We use the google calendar to display the usage of a conference room. These are small displays. Some keyboard commands or resizing? I cannot get past this screen, the need help frame is blocking the start button.  

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We just display all events for the next 8 days
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@Lee thanks for the feedback. We'll queue up work to fix that. In the mean time, what you could do is just open ~/rvplayer/RiseDisplayNetworkII.ini and enter your Display ID after the displayid= parameter. 

Thanks!
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@Lee my apologies. My last comment isn't going to help your situation. We'll look to fix this as part of the beta release. Sorry about that. 

Thanks again. 
Hello AlanI have the Raspberry Pi 3 installed and running
I've been testing different contents and presentations all day
I have some queries:

1. When starting RiseVision I have to write the address every time
(/ home / pi / electron / electron / home / pi / rise-launcher-electron)
Then he gives me the following error.



Then you have to give ok to the ID of the screen.
Then start downloading the latest version of the software ,,,, (already installed)

How can you leave RiseVision auto executable?

On the other hand, I find that the reproduction of videos on Youtube is seen with some cuts in the reproduction.


I hope you can help me

Thank you

http://preview.risevision.com/?type=presentation&id=8a91d14f-dcac-44d8-944a-a44b6bd487c8
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Hi Alan,

I'm in exactly the same situation as Carlos (above). However, it's running very well - it's also useful to have flash capability. 

I'm on the 1.6.2 beta of electron. When a new version comes out, will I have to fully install again, or can I simply run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade?

Many thanks,
Richard
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I'm not trying to pour cold water over anyone's enthusiasm about Pi. But I was actually disappointed at the news that the RV development team, which seems to have no time to spend on working out occasional minor glitches in a hardware platform that is open the box and plug-in-it simple for users (Chromebox), is gung-ho about developing all new capabilities for a hardware platform that—by very definition—is available only to hackers and programmers.
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I should clarify my comment. It's not that I experience ChromeOS bugs that don't get fixed. It's that RV's response to reported issues (none of which I have experienced on my players) was to cancel the platform altogether. And that now RV is excited to announce upcoming support for a platform that requires one to be a hacker or developer to even use.
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I'm not a hacker or developer and have been able to find my way around RPi, its just a little bit more command line then pretty GUI. I'm sure once they have released it, it will come with step by step instructions to get everything running smoothly, then it will just be running everything through the Rise Player website as per normal :)
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It's not about the GUI. I am, in fact, pretty handy with a command line. I am sorry about my word choice. I used incorrectly the word "hackers." I intended to use "makers." That some individuals may be able to tinker their way around getting it to work does not change the fact that, by the creators' own definition, the Raspberry Pi was created for and is intended for makers and developers (and those learning to do those tasks). My point in this conversation is that it seems counter-intuitive to discontinue a player for a platform that is inexpensive, easily-managed, and widely accessible, then to begin development of a player for a platform that is wildly inexpensive, but is neither easily-managed or widely accessible (the platform is nearly famous for requiring tinkering and/or reinstallation after making changes or updating settings or software), not to mention is also very underpowered for any serious amount of ongoing graphics/video processing and, what happens when you fill up its SD card with your cached assets before you're 1/3 through your Display's Schedule?. Yes, it's cool that someone can make a tiny computer that costs less than $50. That doesn't mean I want to run around town with a pocket full of flash drives and spend all my time tinkering to keep the things running. I want to spend my time getting more work and creating more and better content. I want a platform that just works and is sufficiently powerful to do all the things I might throw at it. I know I could buy 4 RPs for what I pay for 1 Chromebox. But I can hang that Chromebox on the back of a screen, turn it on, and not look at it again for 3 years (as I have done in multiple places).
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It depends on your application. We have multiple customers served by Raspberry Pis basically running a slide show - no video - no audio. We haven't touched some of the Raspberry Pis in over 2 years. We just update the content via the Rise Vision website. It's a bulk standard config with devices all over the country, that serves us exceptionally well and would not have happened if we had to use hardware that cost 4x the price. Just because it doesn't suit your situation, don't assume that there aren't a bunch of us that it does suit.
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x4 the price?! Where do you even get these numbers? Last time I checked, Full set of Pi3 runs around $70 https://www.amazon.com/Vilros-Raspberry-Starter-Bundle-Black/dp/B01CULJVXI/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qi.... That is just a hair less then Chromebit https://www.amazon.com/CHROMEBIT-Stick-Desktop-RockChip-3288-C-LPDDR3L/dp/B0181JTPCU/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc...

But if your thing is supported system, then get this https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-Processor-BOXSTK1AW32SC/dp/B01AZC4NHS/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&... for less then x2 of Pi3, and you can get even better deal. If you need more robust player, then get this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856102141&cm_re=intel_nuc_pentium-_-56-10... + SSD, Win10 & RAM (~$60) and it will run anything you can think of running in Rise Vision. There is no need for fancy i3 or i5. I've tried and tested all these with all kind of stuff. The only time I went with i3 was when we needed 3 display menu setup with more then 100+ Google Sheets instances in one single huge presentation. Setting Win10 player takes me around an hour (full UI streamlining, branding, entire settings optimization, RV part). To me Win10 players are the easiest and the most robust players I can get to use with RV for a reasonable price and easy setup.

Point is, Win PCs can be tailored to fit specific projects and all, no matter how different in capabilities they are, kept in the same network.

I am getting one of those Pi3s with 7in display to test it out with some specific projects in mind. 
This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Raspberry Pi 3 with info-beamer.

Hola, he tratado por 1 semana frambuesa pi 3, con RiseVision, hay una versión beta para funcionar RiseVision, pero tiene muchas deficiencias todavía. Los videos no se ven bien y es que el equipo RB 3 es muy poderosas siente muy cedieron.
He probado varios programas de señalización digital para RB, como https://info-beamer.com , donde se descarga una imagen del sistema operativo y que indica que es el ID del dispositivo, de modo simple y el equipo se comporta extraordinariamente bien . También hay otro que funciona muy bien y funciona de la misma manera es https://www.screenly.io/


Podría desarrollar algo similar para RiseVision ??

Espero que puedan hacer algo con RiseVision, ya que es una plataforma muy completa

Gracias tanto
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled when will beta version for raspberry PI 3 be available.

I was excited by Feb 23rd announcement because I need to start looking at replacing all the computers used on my signage equipment, because of age. I followed the directions of the Feb 23 email about using Raspberry PI to get risevision to work and I can get it to display manually. If I reboot the system it does not automatically startup. The point is after playing with it for 8 or so hours I have decided to wait for the next official release before I tried again. That is why I am wondering when will the next official release of the software happen?

Jim
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Hello,

Any update on when the next preview or beta will be out for testing? Is there a better place to keep up with development and give any feedback we may have from our testing?

Thanks.
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Malcolm,

Nothing at the moment, but we will be sure to let everyone know when something becomes available.

Thanks!
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Woohoo! This is super exciting! Really looking forward to a Rise-blessed player for Pi! Hardware acceleration is almost essential but anything supported by Rise with a reasonable feature set is an awesome start. Don't listen to the griping, Alan. Keep up the good work! Looking forward to the beta!!
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Thanks hellonick! 

And quick update for everyone on where things are at. We're just wrapping up with another project and expect to start on the beta release in the next day or two. 

Thanks! 
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Hi, have installed and followed instructions above, and it works after first run, but then doesn't start automatically on reboot, and then have to run whole setup again to get it to run. Any ideas?

Thanks

ben
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waiting eagerly on the beta :)
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Is this actually going to happen? I'm new to all of this but looking back at this chain it would seem that this has been dragging on for quite a while. With the PI now going to the latest version 4 soon... it seems to me that these low-cost microcontrollers are getting to the point where they will eventually make more sense than their $100+ so-called counterparts. 
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It's happening Trae. We got a late start on the beta release, but we are working on it now and expect to release this week!.

Thanks!