Chromecast

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Will Chromecast work as a front end 'Player' with content being set from the cloud? I am new to this platform and have not used it that much yet.
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My understanding with Chromecast is that it will essentially allow wireless connectivity to the monitor from the computer/device (instead of having a DVI/VGA/HDMI cable) running the content. I don't see it being the front end at this point, but then I haven't actually held one yet.
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It handles YouTube and Netflix by directly streaming the content. The iPad, PC or Android device is just a remote control.
If you stream content for your google chrome browser than it is directly coming from PC to Chromecast.
I have used it and this is how it works. So my guess was either through direct connection from a PC or a direct connection to the data in the cloud for the DS content.
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Awesome! Thanks for the additional information.
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Would love to see what it takes to get this working. I'm sure someone in this community could come up with a solution :)
Risevision and Chromecast would solve so much. $35 solution to get risevision on an LCD instead of a small PC? Awesome.
I have an extra one, if risevision would like me to send you one for testing. They are hard to come by in some parts of the country.
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Thanks for the offer, but we hope to get one of these soon so we can try some testing for ourselves. We will be sure to update the community with what we discover.

Thanks!
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I was just thinking yesterday, wouldn't this be as simple as having Chromecast call a display URL? Since Risevision uses Chrome already, I don't think this would be that hard of a port, I'm assuming Chromecast is running a version of Google Chrome?

This solution would be amazing, it would cut the cost down to a display and a $35 device. My only dilemma was how to lock down the Chromecast from walking away..., any security locks work with it?
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I have my Chromecast now and I will be testing with it as soon as we are done our system test (hopefully) next week. I'll let you know what I can figure out!
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No Kennsington lock that I could find.
There is a micro USB for power and an HDMI port for signal output.
They also provide an HDMI extender cable so you could create a security box to put it in behind the display as you would with a mini PC.

Google has been locking the chromecast down and only allowing approved apps to play with it, specifically AllCast has been disabled.
Chrome is an approved app and there is a beta stream PC button in Chrome on the PC. I have dropped recorded video I did that is local to my PC into my browser and streamed it to the TV.

So direct sending of content without a second PC/Chrome browser may not be possible. It should work but may be disabled by the lockdown.

Anyone have any success yet?
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I've found some people able to play videos directly from URLs without their computers using a Cast API. It was something devs were testing.

Check out the thread here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Chromecast/co...

It appears to work with video, so I imagine if we can stick the display URL in here instead, we could get Chromecast to pull our presentations.

I wonder if Risevision would consider creating a Chromecast/GooglePlay app that would work through this. It would definitely revolutionize the product from using computers.

Thanks for all your work!
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It is something we have briefly discussed, but we haven't made any decisions as we still have a lot in the development pipeline at the moment. If we do decide to proceed with anything, we will be sure to let everyone in the forum know!
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The Chromecast could essentially be used as a wireless HDMI connection from a PC running Chrome though... correct? I am looking at a way to connect to a display across the room without running a long HDMI connection to it.
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Unfortunately we are still in our system testing so we haven't had a chance to really delve into it, but will start experimenting with it as soon as we can.
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I like the idea of chromecast but from a developers end the sdk is not ready. It even states that on google. I would like to add this into my ongoing android app project but am afraid that once google brings out an official sdk that It will have changes that will mess development up. Makes for a waste of time till they finish the product for developers. My idea for this was tie in chromecast to the app I'm making, but instead of running 2 of the same displays the android app can run 2 different displays as well since chromecast dongle does all the work once it receives the commands. In theory you have two displays one running normal hardware the other chromecast. Now I do wonder if you can connect multi chromecast dongles to one piece of hardware. If so then think cheap multi tv setups.
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any luck?
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We hope to be doing some simple testing on Chromecast in the next few weeks. We will be updating this post once we have.

Thanks!
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Hi,
Any news from risevision+chromcast?
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Unfortunately no, we've been neck deep in other testing. We'll be sure to update this as soon as we have something.

Thanks!
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FYI, the chromecast is based on the Marvell Armada 1500.

http://www.marvell.com/digital-entert...

I had a chat with them recently, and they are looking to enter the digital signage space. They are currently looking for opportunities to partner with a CMS system to run with their Armada 1500.

Might be a good opportunity for Rise to reach out to them. The good news is that it's coming.

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Nice find.

Thanks for the tip regarding their intentions.
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VERY interested in the ability to run RV on a ChromeCast without having to actually 'cast' to it.

I'm sure a app could be created for it to allow this functionality.
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Glen,

Up until recently, the Chromecast SDK was in beta, and was unusable for anything other than the "Flagship" items that Google had blessed. You can Google "Allcast" for a sample of someone who has had issues with a non-official app.

See William's notes above.

As of today, Google is still kicking around what exactly they intend the Chromecast to do. It's new technology, so obviously there are 500 mouth-breathers trying to get porn on it right now. How open it will be is a big question mark.

You can cast a tab or screen to the Chromecast, but with poor performance, and a loss of interactivity. It's just sending a screenshot, so forget about touch enabled links, etc... And what do you mean by "actually 'cast' to it". Do you mean not using the dial protocol? What benefit do you anticipate?

Also, the Marvell Armada SOC is an ARM7 at 500mhz and is relatively underpowered. 2GB local storage and 512 MB of ram. The Armada SOC is a Cortex-A9 compat instead of the newer ARM11.

It is well optimized with hardware decoding of HD streams, but in a pure benchmark it's less powerful than a Raspberry Pi. (Especially if you clock the Pi at 900mhz) It's not designed to be a general purpose computer, and it isn't.
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I mean exactly what you said. I don't want to send to the Chromecast, but actually run a RiseVision app on it so it runs just like it's on a computer.

While it may not be possible now, it likely will be fairly soon. This is a HUGE market, and to have a $35 player available will really push people into using more systems like this.

If RiseVision worked with Marvell to create their own 'RiseVision USB player' at the $50-$75 price point, there is certainly a huge market that could easily run on the system. If you need something better, then look at an Intel NUC or similar device.

While some people will need HD streaming capabilities, the possibilities to add a bunch of low cost displays and players for stuff like Campus Maps, Menus and info boards makes this market segment ripe for the picking.

I have not looked at the Pi, but if there is a player available, then I will most certainly purchase one to test with. Like I said, we don't need much, but I would be all over adding digital menu boards and the like around our facility.
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The Pi Player works very well.

http://www.adafruit.com/products/998

The only thing to be aware of is how fast your SD card is. Class 10 at least, U3 if you're feeling froggy.

And FYI, I was able to set up the Pi Player under Debian on a BeagleBone Black as well. It's $5 more, but comes with 2GB storage on board. Add an Altoids tin as a case and viola! It's actually cheaper in the long run with faster storage.

BB Black: $45
Power: $10 if you don't have an old cell charger
HDMI: $5

Also, check the "Partners" one has an android based player for $225.
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I was just looking around and found the Pi Model B for $40 plus a Budget Pack for $45 that includes a case, wi-fi, 4GB SD card and more (http://www.adafruit.com/products/965) from AdaFruit.

Going up to talk to IT about ordering one to test with.