Any plans for the Rise Vision proprietary media player?

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I am wondering if Rise Vision is having any plans for that in order to eliminate some of the variables from the system. Users do not really need the full blown OS to run a display in kiosk mode.
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Hey Darius,

That's a cool idea, and is actually something I've brought up during meetings in the past. I'd love to see someone in the community come up with a resource sipping Linux distro that just runs Rise Player. 
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Darius,

No plans at the moment, but we would love to hear what others think of this.

Can I ask you to change this to an Idea, so people can vote on it and give their opinions?

Thanks!
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Why I am bringing this up? We looked at the other products and BrightSigns in particular, but not limited. My manager loves their concept of proprietary players because these are so much stable within the more or less enclosed system. I like it too... makes a lot of sense. And we would buy it, but I dislike their content creation software. I must say HTML code behind RV content  compiler is a huge advantage in my book. All I am really missing is RV media player without any unnecessary OS stuff, capable just to run RV App... reliably.
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We tried one BrightSign player (years ago) and found it to be clumsy and a real pain. It's still a computer. Also, it's an order of magnitude more expensive than RV if you want cloud CMS capabilities and the ability to update and manage the players across the internet. 

That said, BrightSign actually does support the use of HTML if that's the route you'd like to take. 
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Robert, I did not want to make this about RV vs. BS. I've heard different about BS (funny abbreviation, tho) from other users and I think they might have gotten better since their early days. Funny fact - did you know that BS was created by the same people who created Roku? I do not like Roku, but I find this interesting and if you look at the color/type schemes of both products.... duh :) However, just out of curiosity, I still would like to test one, but as you mentioned the price of their players might make this difficult (well, they sell for 1/2 of their original price if you were to do that). I actually I am aware BS can play HTML similar to the RV's Web Page Widget, but i was talking about the code of actual presentation. I do not really want to make a separate HTML page and host it some place in order to add a box-shadow to my placeholder, rotate placeholder etc.
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BrightSign has situations where it's a real powerhouse (museums, GPS-enabled applications, custom interactivity) but they charge a LOT of money for what you get. I've got an HD220 sitting on a shelf and if you take the lid off there's nothing but a BCM7208 processor that runs the whole thing (STB box processor, same as a Roku HD which is a $79 device). 

The HTML functions are a tad more advanced than just laying in a web site. The backend of most of a BrightSign is actually HTML/XML anyway, as I recall. 

If you want to play with my HD220 I'm happy to ship it to you (assuming you're stateside and the shipping won't kill me). We're not using it and have no immediate need of it. 
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Robert, I am not gonna argue with you, you are very knowledgeable person. Unlike you i have no real experience with BS, but this is what I was told by ALMO developer at BS workshop when asked a question about the code side behind the content. He said it is not HTML and that I would not be able to tweak it as I am able in RV editor. Unless that dude was total noob sent there to lecture us )))

I would love to play with your HD220 ))) The specs look good on it... but I would really love to hear from you in details why you did not like it. We are in Connecticut so the shipping should not be a big deal. We would cover the shipping cost the both ways.
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Correct, what's happening behind the scenes in Bright Author cannot be edited. You're limited to the front end only. I only meant to say you can do more with it than embed a web page, sorry I wasn't clear about that. 

Email me at RSchoneman@ncbpac.org with your shipping info. I'll get it to you if you get it back to me. :)

When you email me I'll reply with details about our issues with the system. I don't want to swerve this topic any further than we already have. 
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The concept of a proprietary player is interesting, but you can't handle all the future hardware combinations as well and simple single monitor players are dirt cheap already so there's not a lot to be gained. Intel Compute sticks are dropping in price and Ubuntu is essentially free. That's the model I think you should pursue, a preloaded stick type Ubuntu player ready to turn on and go.

Looking towards the future we've tested 3 HD monitor displays on a single i3 NUC in both portrait and landscape and using Eyefinity on a mini-PC we can do arrays and up to six monitors. I haven't yet seen a proprietary player that can handle 2 displays well, certainly none of the low end ones..

Signage will get bigger, bolder and more complex once it moves past simple poster replacements, so if you do a proprietary player you will still need to support open players or be limited.
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They are cheap, but also they are unreliable. Rise Vision + OS + Media Player + network = way too many variables where things can go south rather fast ))) With their player, RV could eliminate a good chunk of these variables.
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If you're looking to roll a trimmed down OS image for some specific hardware, I'd recommend the guys at Logic Supply: http://www.logicsupply.com/

They can help glue the software/hardware together and get you into a pipeline of hardware that's got long term support (no chipset/driver changes for years) so an OS image would remain valid as you purchase new equipment over time. 
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This is very interesting, Robert. At this point I do not see us going down that path, but maybe Rise Vision would look at this.
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I don't see a monetization opportunity there for RV. However, if a group of users had interest and wanted to approach Logic Supply they might be willing to develop something for the application and launch it in the Marketplace. I don't see that being a $300 solution but if something rock solid is important and using Ubuntu Core? or WES is a requirement that'd be a way to go. 
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I would say this would work, but having rise focus on there one player/device would be a cause for concern. I like the openness of rise. That's what makes rise better than everyone. My issue is the scenario that happened with the chrome app. First Rise made a Linux and Windows player. They Switched to chrome app and chrome OS and now we are back to Windows and Linux. Making another move like this would concern me because there are people stuck with chrome devices that has not had an update in a while. To me a player is a player and as long as it works , then let's stay with it. Develop on what's there already. Also The focus shouldn't be the player. To me the platform needs the improvement. I'm sure everyone has things the platform needs. To me I would like proof of play, improved widgets, more content, and others. Without content the player is useless. Just my two cents.