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Let me start by bumming everyone out, I have NOT found a reliable way to do this yet. I know...downer. But that isn't for sake of trying, and there are a lot of options that sort of work, but they just aren't good enough.

I wanted to share everything I have tried so far, in the hopes that another user out there has tried something I haven't come across yet, and had greater success. Let's hear it!

Before we go into what I have tried, there are 3 must have's for TV into a Gadget:
1. Has to be able to play in both Windows and Linux Player (and Mac when that arrives)
2. Has to be good to HD quality.
3. Has to be relatively easy to implement.

These were on the nice to have list:
1. Free
2. Local broadcast, meaning it did not need to go out to the web for TV.

Here's a rundown of options I have tried:

Veetle, Justin TV, UStream, UBroadcast

TikiLive

UBroadcast and 1AVStreamer

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Flash Media Live Encoder & Flash Media Server & Flash CS5

Beginner's Guide for Flash Media Server

So there you have it, all my trial and error. If you have any ideas that you have tried, or you think may work, please let us know. We understand that TV in a Presentation is very important to some of our users, so we want to make sure that we can do it, but we want to do it right, and not recommend something half baked.

Still on my list to try, a new way with VLC.

Stay tuned!

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Robb (Technology Guru) January 07, 2011 17:40

The new VLC option requires a dedicated server, and a degree in physics to set up the environment so that is a no go.

I'm ordering one of these today to check it out: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product....

I'll let everyone know how I make out.

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The new VLC option requires a dedicated server, and a degree in physics to set up the environment so that is a no go. I'm ordering one of these today to check it out: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815345001 I'll let everyone know how I make out.

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Jeff E. January 13, 2011 02:15

I look forward to hearing how this works out Robb. Looks like a very promising solution. I've heard a lot of good feedback on VLC, but just looking at their wiki help page gives me a headache.

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I look forward to hearing how this works out Robb. Looks like a very promising solution. I've heard a lot of good feedback on VLC, but just looking at their wiki help page gives me a headache.

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Jeff E. January 20, 2011 15:53

I'm looking at your above suggestions now, but just curious if you tested the SiliconDust unit yet. I had a conversation with a very promising prospect yesterday, but the ability to integrate local broadcasts from his existing cable STB was a requirement.

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Robb (Technology Guru) January 20, 2011 16:03

It turns out the HDHomeRun box won't work with a basic antenna connection. I don't have cable since I use a little thing called the Internet to watch TV. I am going to give the device to Neal this weekend and he will be testing it after we finish our Beta 8 testing, which should be done Feb 1st. He will update the post with his results.

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alex January 26, 2011 21:22

Will Slingbox or something similar work? (I assume Silicon Dust is comparable?)
But I'd think that broadcast to webpage > point webpage gadget might be a viable option, lower cost and less hassles. But then again, I didn't go through all the testing Robb did with those programs.

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Robb (Technology Guru) January 26, 2011 21:30

Slingbox was one I considered until I read up on them, and apparently they can only go to one device (laptop, computer, mobile phone, etc) at a time, AND they have to use the "Sling Player". The Sling Player is a viewer designed to watch the Sling Box's signal, and can't be rebroadcast or embedded in any other format. Apparently with much older Slingboxes you could do a hack to get it to broadcast via Windows Media Server and WMP, but that is gone with the new ones.

If anyone knows this to be incorrect, please feel free to correct me.

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alex January 26, 2011 22:03

Interesting. I'll keep watch out for other converters that make it easier.

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Aaron June 14, 2011 18:14

Anyone tried integrating IPTV in to Rise? What software/hardware do you use?

I see a few major players offering streaming capabilities from your standard cable/dish hookups i.e. U-verse, Slingbox, Roku, etc. Has anyone tried integrating these devices for use?

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
IPTV products and intergation?.

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Anyone tried integrating IPTV in to Rise? What software/hardware do you use?<br /><br /> I see a few major players offering streaming capabilities from your standard cable/dish hookups i.e. U-verse, Slingbox, Roku, etc. Has anyone tried integrating these devices for use? <em>This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled <a href="/rise_vision_inc/topics/iptv_products_and_intergation/changes" target="_blank">IPTV products and intergation?</a>.</em>

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Neal Godbeer (Official Rep) June 14, 2011 18:31

Hi Aaron,

From what I can tell U-verse and Roku are not set up to stream to a web page. They hook directly up to a screen, bypassing a computer in the process. Slingbox is limited to the number of screens it will broadcast to (one) and you must use the Sling Player.

We are still keeping our eyes open for possible products and services that can bring this functionality into Presentations, but if anybody else has encountered something that works, please let us know.

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Hoppingturtle June 21, 2011 04:13

I've been messing around with this feature forEVER! argh! Here is the ONLY thing I have been able to come up with, so far:

There are certain LCD screens that allow you to split the screen right down the middle and will play 2 inputs simultaneously. It's an variation of PIP.

You will get 2 boxes in 4:3. One for VGA and one for component/TV/etc

Samsung has been known to do this and you will find this feature in this model (for reference): SAMSUNG LN-S5296D 52" LCD DISPLAY. Just search for "PIP"

I think this way, the person with the remote can still switch channels...just in case CNN gets boring while at the bank :P

Good luck guys :)

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I've been messing around with this feature forEVER! argh! Here is the ONLY thing I have been able to come up with, so far: There are certain LCD screens that allow you to split the screen right down the middle and will play 2 inputs simultaneously. It's an variation of PIP. You will get 2 boxes in 4:3. One for VGA and one for component/TV/etc Samsung has been known to do this and you will find this feature in this model (for reference): SAMSUNG LN-S5296D 52" LCD DISPLAY. Just search for "PIP" I think this way, the person with the remote can still switch channels...just in case CNN gets boring while at the bank :P Good luck guys :)

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Neal Godbeer (Official Rep) June 21, 2011 12:44

That would certainly be an interesting work around.for the TV. Being able to switch channels with the remote has its benefits too, like you said.

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That would certainly be an interesting work around.for the TV. Being able to switch channels with the remote has its benefits too, like you said.

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brian.creativeheadsinc February 25, 2012 03:15

Could this $150 encoding device be the answer to getting live TV embedded into a Presentation placeholder/gadget in RiseVision?

http://www.grandstream.com/products/i...

Can RiseVision deal with playing from an RTSP stream?

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Could this $150 encoding device be the answer to getting live TV embedded into a Presentation placeholder/gadget in RiseVision? http://www.grandstream.com/products/ip-video-surveillance/gxv3500 Can RiseVision deal with playing from an RTSP stream?

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Robb (Technology Guru) February 25, 2012 15:06

I've never tried this device so unfortunately we couldn't give an answer on if it would work or not. If you could get it to work in a Gadget or webpage, chances are you could show it in a Presentation.

If you do get it working, please let us know!

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I've never tried this device so unfortunately we couldn't give an answer on if it would work or not. If you could get it to work in a Gadget or webpage, chances are you could show it in a Presentation. If you do get it working, please let us know! Thanks!

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brian.creativeheadsinc February 29, 2012 05:02

I believe I know of something that will work using the $150 encoder I mentioned above. This is a theory, because I don't have the HW yet, but all the pieces are proven individually.

The Grandstream encoder would take analog video & audio input from the premise set-top box, DVD player, etc. That's what it does.

The Grandstream encoder (just like most all modern IP cams) produces an RTSP h.264/aac stream that needs to be 'pulled'. However, FLASH video player clients need a RTMP stream source. So you need to convert the container, but not actually transcode. It stays h.264/aac. You can do this with FMS (very expensive), Wowza (less expensive)... or for free with:

crtmpserver

see rtmpd.com

This application needs to run on Linux, so it would best run on a presentation player platform running linux . I built and ran it on linux myself over the weekend and it works as advertised as far as re-streaming goes.

Now, I know there is a YouTube gadget for RiseVision. If we can get a FLASH player gadget that can take a RTMP url instead of a YouTube movie ID, we would have all the pieces.

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I believe I know of something that will work using the $150 encoder I mentioned above. This is a theory, because I don't have the HW yet, but all the pieces are proven individually. The Grandstream encoder would take analog video & audio input from the premise set-top box, DVD player, etc. That's what it does. The Grandstream encoder (just like most all modern IP cams) produces an RTSP h.264/aac stream that needs to be 'pulled'. However, FLASH video player clients need a RTMP stream source. So you need to convert the container, but not actually transcode. It stays h.264/aac. You can do this with FMS (very expensive), Wowza (less expensive)... or for free with: crtmpserver see rtmpd.com This application needs to run on Linux, so it would best run on a presentation player platform running linux . I built and ran it on linux myself over the weekend and it works as advertised as far as re-streaming goes. Now, I know there is a YouTube gadget for RiseVision. If we can get a FLASH player gadget that can take a RTMP url instead of a YouTube movie ID, we would have all the pieces.

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Robb (Technology Guru) February 29, 2012 14:33

We have a Flash Gadget, but I've never tested it with a RTMP URL. Have you tried the URL Gadget? Would that work with the URL stream?

Is anyone interested in working with Brian to build this custom Gadget?

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brian.creativeheadsinc February 29, 2012 16:00

I haven't tried the URL Gadget yet. I only learned about RiseVision in the last week, so I'm only a noob with RV at this point.

I do have a bit of experience with live RTMP streams (using Wowza and now crtmpserver) to FLASH clients like JWPlayer. If JWPlayer will run in a URL Gadget, I should be able to make this work as-is.

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I haven't tried the URL Gadget yet. I only learned about RiseVision in the last week, so I'm only a noob with RV at this point. I do have a bit of experience with live RTMP streams (using Wowza and now crtmpserver) to FLASH clients like JWPlayer. If JWPlayer will run in a URL Gadget, I should be able to make this work as-is.

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Robb (Technology Guru) February 29, 2012 16:28

Great, let us know how you make out.

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TDavis5155 March 01, 2012 00:17

FMS and FME are both free of charge. The trial version of Flash Media Server Is a full version but with a limit of 10 concurrent connections. Configuring is a hassle. So far I have only been able to run the HTML from the webroot folder in FMS. Anybody know how to work with this.

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brian.creativeheadsinc March 01, 2012 00:55

I've run Wowza server and crtmpserver on my own equip over Linux. I used FMLE and Wirecast for remote live origination on a PC running WinXP. Never touched FMS.

Regarding the $150 Grandstream encoder, I found a snag. The snag is audio. We need h.264 video and AAC audio. The audio from this box is G.711 or G.726, which is typical for most all IP security cams. Flash can't play it. It can *only* play AAC with h.264 video. The HW solutions for encoding h.264 with AAC start at a few hundred $ more than this box and up. If we don't need to use a Flash player, and can use something like VLC in a google gadget, that would be a cheap work around.

Looking forward, Flash is *dead*. HTML5 is where all the focus is going to be for new products and efforts regarding endpoint video. Probably should look down that path for RiseVision video advancement. I have to believe HTML5 will handle a lot more audio codec options for h.264 video. At this point, I know little about it.

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I've run Wowza server and crtmpserver on my own equip over Linux. I used FMLE and Wirecast for remote live origination on a PC running WinXP. Never touched FMS. Regarding the $150 Grandstream encoder, I found a snag. The snag is audio. We need h.264 video and AAC audio. The audio from this box is G.711 or G.726, which is typical for most all IP security cams. Flash can't play it. It can *only* play AAC with h.264 video. The HW solutions for encoding h.264 with AAC start at a few hundred $ more than this box and up. If we don't need to use a Flash player, and can use something like VLC in a google gadget, that would be a cheap work around. Looking forward, Flash is *dead*. HTML5 is where all the focus is going to be for new products and efforts regarding endpoint video. Probably should look down that path for RiseVision video advancement. I have to believe HTML5 will handle a lot more audio codec options for h.264 video. At this point, I know little about it.

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jeff March 09, 2012 21:25

I finally had a chance to read some of this thread. I think here is a way to embed a TV signal without ads or voodoo to make it work, albeit it requiring a little hardware and some ingenuity...

I have used a streaming service called www.streamguys.com to send a live feed from my camera through my laptop and wireless card. The streaming video is accessible via either a link or can be embedded code in a web page. It would work great with a CAT5 connection. You encode and broadcast the video as either a win media, quicktime, etc. format, but just one of those on a stream. You can pay extra for multiple streams if you want.

I used this a couple of years ago to send a live feed of a modular home installation to my client's partner in Jacksonville, FL. It was kinda cool to be standing in a field in South Carolina and shooting video live all afternoon to some people hundreds of miles away.

The cheapest package they have is $40/month for up to five IP addresses receiving the signal; thus it would cost $8 per location. Additional locations are a few $s more per month. You can stream 24/7 if you want to 5 or 500 IP addresses; you just have to pay for the bandwidth and number of viewers you want.

You could take TV, cable, etc. and feed that into an A-D converter with a firewire output. Then the firewire feed can be connected to a computer and streamed to multiple digital signage locations. You could set the size and location of the embedded web feed into whichever placeholder you wanted to.

This would eliminate the need for splitting screens, extra pieces at the install, etc.

Hope that helps.

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I finally had a chance to read some of this thread. I think here is a way to embed a TV signal without ads or voodoo to make it work, albeit it requiring a little hardware and some ingenuity... I have used a streaming service called www.streamguys.com to send a live feed from my camera through my laptop and wireless card. The streaming video is accessible via either a link or can be embedded code in a web page. It would work great with a CAT5 connection. You encode and broadcast the video as either a win media, quicktime, etc. format, but just one of those on a stream. You can pay extra for multiple streams if you want. I used this a couple of years ago to send a live feed of a modular home installation to my client's partner in Jacksonville, FL. It was kinda cool to be standing in a field in South Carolina and shooting video live all afternoon to some people hundreds of miles away. The cheapest package they have is $40/month for up to five IP addresses receiving the signal; thus it would cost $8 per location. Additional locations are a few $s more per month. You can stream 24/7 if you want to 5 or 500 IP addresses; you just have to pay for the bandwidth and number of viewers you want. You could take TV, cable, etc. and feed that into an A-D converter with a firewire output. Then the firewire feed can be connected to a computer and streamed to multiple digital signage locations. You could set the size and location of the embedded web feed into whichever placeholder you wanted to. This would eliminate the need for splitting screens, extra pieces at the install, etc. Hope that helps.

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Very cool.

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jeff March 09, 2012 22:18

Thanks. Only part I'm not sure about would be streaming the media and copyright issues, although I don't see how it would be any different than people watching the game or a show at a bar or restaurant...

Any thoughts folks?

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Thanks. Only part I'm not sure about would be streaming the media and copyright issues, although I don't see how it would be any different than people watching the game or a show at a bar or restaurant... Any thoughts folks?

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brian.creativeheadsinc March 23, 2012 15:00

I've done a lot of cloud streaming using Wowza. However, what I was thinking of was a way to simply encode a local video/audio signal from a CATV settop box at the premise and be able to show that in a window on the signage display. The reason for this is my app is at a restaurant/bar and they want to option to show some TV programming while playing other custom signage content around the border of it.

Might be able to do this with a simple EasyCap device on Linux with VLC.

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Robb (Technology Guru) March 23, 2012 15:02

Brian,

Let us know how you make out!

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jeff March 23, 2012 16:45

Brian,, Not sure if you saw my post but that would do what you're looking to do. Small cost involved but not bad.

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brian.creativeheadsinc March 23, 2012 17:35

Yes, I meant to say paying for a turn-key remote streaming service isn't required if your remote client site has TV programming included with their broadband connection (i.e. my client has FiOS.) I would setup their signage player PC to capture TV base-band using it's own USB EasyCap device and serve that video stream locally (local URL for just that one item.) This doesn't violate copyright and terms of service with content owners or the service provider, because the end client has legally paid for this content already with their TV package.

When you take TV programming from a centralized location, and stream it out to lets say 5 remote client sites, I will guarantee you'll be violating terms of service and/or copyrights with cable companies and content owners. NFL just sued a bar here in Tampa for taking their locally restricted content and putting it up in his bar on multiple TVs using a slingbox setup. I believe they went after him for $300K.

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Yes, I meant to say paying for a turn-key remote streaming service isn't required if your remote client site has TV programming included with their broadband connection (i.e. my client has FiOS.) I would setup their signage player PC to capture TV base-band using it's own USB EasyCap device and serve that video stream locally (local URL for just that one item.) This doesn't violate copyright and terms of service with content owners or the service provider, because the end client has legally paid for this content already with their TV package. When you take TV programming from a centralized location, and stream it out to lets say 5 remote client sites, I will guarantee you'll be violating terms of service and/or copyrights with cable companies and content owners. NFL just sued a bar here in Tampa for taking their locally restricted content and putting it up in his bar on multiple TVs using a slingbox setup. I believe they went after him for $300K.

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jeff March 23, 2012 17:49

Oooh - I like your idea a whole lot better than mine. So, this requires using a Linus box as signage computer? What is url to look at one of these EasyCap units?

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brian.creativeheadsinc March 24, 2012 01:16

Here is what I'm thinking should work. Run ubuntu 11.10 or later on the signage player PC. Ubuntu 11.10 has native video/audio driver support for EasyCap device. Hopefully RiseVision and Chromium run well on ubuntu 11.10.

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EasyCap on Linux (QuickStart says Ubuntu 11.10 or later supports easycap in distro)
http://easycap.blogspot.com/p/recordi...

Now install VLC and the VLC web plug-in on this signage player:

VLC
videolan.org

VLC's web page plug-in (says it works with Chrome Ok)
http://wiki.videolan.org/Documentatio...

VLC can play direct from EasyCap device, file or from a stream. It can also originate streams. VLC is a desktop Linux app. What we need is a way to get the video viewer into Chrome so it can be an element in the signage display with all the other google gadgets in the web browser. This is what the VLC web page plug-in is for. (It's similar to a Flash video player web plug-in.) The VLC plug-in instance would reference a local URL to get to the EasyCap device just like a file.

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Here is what I'm thinking should work. Run ubuntu 11.10 or later on the signage player PC. Ubuntu 11.10 has native video/audio driver support for EasyCap device. Hopefully RiseVision and Chromium run well on ubuntu 11.10. Reference: EasyCap on Linux (QuickStart says Ubuntu 11.10 or later supports easycap in distro) http://easycap.blogspot.com/p/recording.html Now install VLC and the VLC web plug-in on this signage player: VLC videolan.org VLC's web page plug-in (says it works with Chrome Ok) http://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:WebPlugin VLC can play direct from EasyCap device, file or from a stream. It can also originate streams. VLC is a desktop Linux app. What we need is a way to get the video viewer into Chrome so it can be an element in the signage display with all the other google gadgets in the web browser. This is what the VLC web page plug-in is for. (It's similar to a Flash video player web plug-in.) The VLC plug-in instance would reference a local URL to get to the EasyCap device just like a file.

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jeff March 26, 2012 02:33

How about this for a method...

If the TV used for the signage location has picture in picture capabilities, you should be able to feed it a cable or digital antenna and the VGA or HDMI from the signage PC and display both on the screen simultaneously.

I tested this idea with the monitor we have in our family room at home. I had a computer hooked up in thru VGA port and cable coming in thru the VCR into composite input (don't have HDMI on this unit). I was able to get both on screen by pressing the PIP button on the remote.

Sounds like that might be the cheapest (and legal) way to get TV into a signage application.

Thoughts?

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How about this for a method... If the TV used for the signage location has picture in picture capabilities, you should be able to feed it a cable or digital antenna and the VGA or HDMI from the signage PC and display both on the screen simultaneously. I tested this idea with the monitor we have in our family room at home. I had a computer hooked up in thru VGA port and cable coming in thru the VCR into composite input (don't have HDMI on this unit). I was able to get both on screen by pressing the PIP button on the remote. Sounds like that might be the cheapest (and legal) way to get TV into a signage application. Thoughts?

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jeff March 26, 2012 02:35

BTW, the monitor I did the PIP on was a higher end unit than a typical TV. It would let me get a small PIP of the TV signal and put it in a corner of the screen.

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BTW, the monitor I did the PIP on was a higher end unit than a typical TV. It would let me get a small PIP of the TV signal and put it in a corner of the screen.

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brian.creativeheadsinc March 27, 2012 13:43

That's certainly a simple and solid way to do it, assuming you can design your signage preso layout around it. A PIP feature where you can set the size and position of the PIP window would be the ideal solution. Not sure how many displays/TVs have this. Someone mentioned PIP earlier in this thread and theirs was a 50/50 split view.

I have a Ubuntu dual core box with HD setup that I will eventually try my ideas with. Have too many other commitments for the time being.

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That's certainly a simple and solid way to do it, assuming you can design your signage preso layout around it. A PIP feature where you can set the size and position of the PIP window would be the ideal solution. Not sure how many displays/TVs have this. Someone mentioned PIP earlier in this thread and theirs was a 50/50 split view. I have a Ubuntu dual core box with HD setup that I will eventually try my ideas with. Have too many other commitments for the time being.

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jeff March 28, 2012 04:51

I'm going to look for TVs that allow PIP to be moved around screen in a smaller box. My fancy Panasonic monitor allows a 50/50 split, but also puts PIP in a small window in one of the corners.

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I'm going to look for TVs that allow PIP to be moved around screen in a smaller box. My fancy Panasonic monitor allows a 50/50 split, but also puts PIP in a small window in one of the corners.

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jeff April 02, 2012 16:19

Sony makes an LCD TV that does does PIP that shows the TV program as an inset on the PC display. It's a little smaller than 1/4th screen, and can be moved to various corners. Here's the model number:

Sony KDL46BX420 46" LCD TV

If they have cable or satellite, then it is an easy way to legally get TV into the Risevision presentation - just design around it with 1/4th of screen as a solid color box.

Otherwise, a digital antenna sitting on top or behind the unit should pick up a local channel to view.

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Sony makes an LCD TV that does does PIP that shows the TV program as an inset on the PC display. It's a little smaller than 1/4th screen, and can be moved to various corners. Here's the model number: Sony KDL46BX420 46" LCD TV If they have cable or satellite, then it is an easy way to legally get TV into the Risevision presentation - just design around it with 1/4th of screen as a solid color box. Otherwise, a digital antenna sitting on top or behind the unit should pick up a local channel to view.

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TDavis5155 April 02, 2012 16:26

If it is the PIP effect your after why not just get a WinTV USB input and run wintv or media player Classic. Or you can get an HD card and run its app. Same effect with more flexibility.

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If it is the PIP effect your after why not just get a WinTV USB input and run wintv or media player Classic. Or you can get an HD card and run its app. Same effect with more flexibility.

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jeff April 03, 2012 18:52

Will these play over top of the Rise player? Also, how much cost of your ideas and a lesser LCD TV as compared to this TV?

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Will these play over top of the Rise player? Also, how much cost of your ideas and a lesser LCD TV as compared to this TV?

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bill May 15, 2012 21:24

I found a simple way to add local video. Use a swf file and the flash gadget to access a local video feed. You can test it here if you have a webcam or other video source that the Flash plug-in can access. This requires a video source to be at the display location and not streamed over the internet.

Sample presentation: http://bit.ly/JjhIHz

SWF file: http://www.friscodigital.com/swf/webc... (upload to your server)

Use the Rise Vision Flash gadget and point it to the SWF files URL
You can size the video and place it anywhere in the presentation.

To select the video source click on the settings in the flash plugin and select your video source.

I tested it with a Dazzle USB Video capture device and a windows XP machine. running the Rise Vision player.

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I found a simple way to add local video. Use a swf file and the flash gadget to access a local video feed. You can test it here if you have a webcam or other video source that the Flash plug-in can access. This requires a video source to be at the display location and not streamed over the internet. Sample presentation: http://bit.ly/JjhIHz SWF file: http://www.friscodigital.com/swf/webcam.zip (upload to your server) Use the Rise Vision Flash gadget and point it to the SWF files URL You can size the video and place it anywhere in the presentation. To select the video source click on the settings in the flash plugin and select your video source. I tested it with a Dazzle USB Video capture device and a windows XP machine. running the Rise Vision player. <a href="https://d37wxxhohlp07s.cloudfront.net/s3_images/738551/screen.gif?1337117055"><img src="https://d37wxxhohlp07s.cloudfront.net/s3_images/738551/screen_inline.gif?1337117055" alt="" /></a>

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jeff May 16, 2012 04:43

I did a quick test of this with an XP laptop and my logitech webcam. I was able to get me on the screen OK, but quality wasn't very good. The webcam does a pretty good job for video conferencing, etc.

Two questions:

1. was the Dazzle converted image good quality, so that you would feel like you were watching TV in a window on screen?
2. Is there any way to suppress the window that comes up wanting access to the webcam? If the computer needed to restart, this would need to be a setting that the software could remember and go ahead and start running.

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I did a quick test of this with an XP laptop and my logitech webcam. I was able to get me on the screen OK, but quality wasn't very good. The webcam does a pretty good job for video conferencing, etc. Two questions: 1. was the Dazzle converted image good quality, so that you would feel like you were watching TV in a window on screen? 2. Is there any way to suppress the window that comes up wanting access to the webcam? If the computer needed to restart, this would need to be a setting that the software could remember and go ahead and start running.

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jeff May 16, 2012 05:01

Never mind question #2 - I figured it out. I don't have a USB digitizer so I can't answer the first one myself.

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Never mind question #2 - I figured it out. I don't have a USB digitizer so I can't answer the first one myself.

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bill May 16, 2012 05:11

I think the image quality is affected by several factors:
1) Source video
2) Capture device
3) Presentation and Screen resolution
4) Aspect ration

You may have noticed that the "Hide Mouse Pointer" option was not select on this sample presentation so you can see the pointer. The first time you run the presentation you will need to set-up the Flash plugin and have it remember the settings. That will suppress the window from comping up wanting access in the future. Then you can hide the mouse pointer after that.

I still need to do some more testing but this should work. I've gotten good video quality.

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I think the image quality is affected by several factors: 1) Source video 2) Capture device 3) Presentation and Screen resolution 4) Aspect ration You may have noticed that the "Hide Mouse Pointer" option was not select on this sample presentation so you can see the pointer. The first time you run the presentation you will need to set-up the Flash plugin and have it remember the settings. That will suppress the window from comping up wanting access in the future. Then you can hide the mouse pointer after that. I still need to do some more testing but this should work. I've gotten good video quality.

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jeff May 16, 2012 06:05

Many thanks for the additional input. Are you able to get both video and audio from the local source? Since I was using a webcam, I assume the audio didn't play back to prevent feedback.

Awesome job though - how did you figure this one out?

Does anyone have an idea of how to do this with a firewire device? I have a firewire A to D device.

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Many thanks for the additional input. Are you able to get both video and audio from the local source? Since I was using a webcam, I assume the audio didn't play back to prevent feedback. Awesome job though - how did you figure this one out? Does anyone have an idea of how to do this with a firewire device? I have a firewire A to D device.

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bill May 16, 2012 20:05

I had built a Flash application for a Desktop video studio that I built and I used this flash live video preview window so see the camera while walking the user through the set-up process.

After looking around it appears a better solution is the "getUserMedia() API" in HTML5. It's not supported by the current version of Chrome but it probably will be in the next. It works the same way the flash plug-in works.

More info on getUserMedia() API can be found here:

http://kinlan-presentations.appspot.c...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=...

http://neave.com/webcam/html5/

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I had built a Flash application for a Desktop video studio that I built and I used this flash live video preview window so see the camera while walking the user through the set-up process. After looking around it appears a better solution is the "getUserMedia() API" in HTML5. It's not supported by the current version of Chrome but it probably will be in the next. It works the same way the flash plug-in works. More info on getUserMedia() API can be found here: http://kinlan-presentations.appspot.com/sfmediahtml/template/index.html#19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VP0SV3YWOWA#t=1425s http://neave.com/webcam/html5/

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